Yeah, you're right. I'll try to leave out the sarcasm when it comes to sensitive topics.Hard to read sarcasm through the internet.
Naw, I get what you are saying here. I've had many a conversation with people on StP that have changed my outlook on life/ideas/people more than I ever thought possible.Also @Coywolf, dude, you're spot on again. Thanks for keeping a level head and metamorphosing into a beautiful, well-articulated, mod butterfly. A few years ago, I couldn't stand you but you've really come a long way, dude. I mean this in the best way possible.
I'm glad I could come out on the other side realizing that I wasent the only person my speech affected. (See how this relates to the thread?! )
I guess I'm guilty of making the same backhanded comment towards Coywolf. Is it really backhanded though? Is it really a high horse issue? Or is it just one person being completely honest with another person about how they once felt about them and how they've changed their opinion? Coywolf and I used to butt heads a lot, now we don't. Why can't I talk about that? Why do I gotta be high and mighty just for saying that? I know Koala personally and I know Coywolf personally. I don't feel like Koala has a high and mighty personality at all and I don't feel like Coywolf would take offense to such a statement either. To me it just comes off as a sign of respect.whoa, what would be the good in ending this post full of true points that probably most of the forum agrees with - and these points which are especially important to you - with a backhanded compliment of this sort? I mean, it's got nothing to do with me, but, you want it to be meant "in the best way possible"? yet i feel like this comes across as pretty nasty, loaded with this high and mighty attitude, as if *your* judgement over the guy a few years ago vs. now means something? i'm not tryin to hate on you but that sounds pretty shot to hell and unnecessary. wouldn't it be firm enough just to say you appreciated what the guy had to say?
oh nah, it wasn't my intention to paint the forum with a broad strokeWhoooaaa inception! The plot turns around to relate a story and a lesson to the original topic, ahah hell yeah
Lol you obviously don't know us very well then @roughdraft! I know a lot of folks on here tend to get cranky, but there's still some of us who can have relatively level discussions
appreciate the counterpoint, and stimming my curiosity. could be different strokes or maybe i'm too sensitiveI guess I'm guilty of making the same backhanded comment towards Coywolf. Is it really backhanded though? Is it really a high horse issue? Or is it just one person being completely honest with another person about how they once felt about them and how they've changed their opinion? Coywolf and I used to butt heads a lot, now we don't. Why can't I talk about that? Why do I gotta be high and mighty just for saying that? I know Koala personally and I know Coywolf personally. I don't feel like Koala has a high and mighty personality at all and I don't feel like Coywolf would take offense to such a statement either. To me it just comes off as a sign of respect.
Yeah I’m gonna come to the conclusion that ANTIFA is bad and you shouldn’t physically harm anybody because of their ideas. Let’s judge people through their actions.Not so much "assaulting people" as assaulting Nazis, Klan, Proud Boys, and other Fascist scum.
"Getting your revenge in first" is an old street phrase for it. When you advocate genocide, you forfeit any claim that you have a right to live, or to physical safety, let alone free speech.
To be clear, i think they have a right to speak freely, up until their teeth are smashed in with a bat, pipe, or other implement. And there certainly are forums that welcome folks like that, so their right to free speech is alive and well.
I think this place is sometimes a bit to quick to police speech, but this ain't one of those times.
So, even though their "ideas" are "non-white folks, and LGBTQ folks, and Jews, and also Communists, and Anarchists, and Liberals should be killed", you have to wait for them to try to kill you before violence is OK?you shouldn’t physically harm anybody because of their ideas. Let’s judge people through their actions.
I’m mean yeah. That’s how people generally self-defend. Until somebody attempts to do you harm, you don’t normally go about assaulting people because they could.you have to wait for them to try to kill you before violence is OK?
I’m mean yeah. That’s how people generally self-defend. Until somebody attempts to do you harm, you don’t normally go about assaulting people because they could
"How can you hate me when you don't know me?" That was a really good TED talk sir. Reminds me of Dave Chappelles "Clayton BIgsby" Worlds Only Black White Sepremacist skit.
Every time? Because I can rattle off a dozen just off the top of my head that we're 100% justified. I can also think of a couple where I wasn't 100% on either side of the fence. But we're never all going to see eye to eye on every single situation, so you gotta kinda just roll with the jury sometimes or we'll be hung on it forever.I feel this echoed in the moderation habits on STP, everytime I see the banned red bar
Hells yeah! Food for thought for sure. Maybe I need to stop taking all this shit "so seriously".Didn't watch the video but I've seen other long in depth interviews with Daryl Davis. Interesting cat, I like his style.
Every time? Because I can rattle off a dozen just off the top of my head that we're 100% justified. I can also think of a couple where I wasn't 100% on either side of the fence. But we're never all going to see eye to eye on every single situation, so you gotta kinda just roll with the jury sometimes or we'll be hung on it forever.
I think most people here can put themselves in our shoes and understand we're really trying to keep the dumpster fires extinguished as best we can to maintain an inclusive environment for people of all types sans bigots/hate mongers.
The place we run into trouble is the inclusion of the word anarchist in our website description. Apparently that word means different things to different people. I personally don't feel it means some people just have to put up with other people's bullshit just because freedom of speech or whatever the fuck.
You can have that world in your own personal space in your own little world, fine by me. Hang around with all the bigots you want. I'm not gonna ban them from your life. But we kinda got a different thing going on here. This is not your own personal space. This is a place we all share together.
Trolls be trollin. Mods be working for free. We got a pretty simple set of rules. Don't be a dick. You get to be a dick twice and still hang around. Shit, you can be a dick twice every 6 months and hang around forever as the previous warnings roll off over time. I feel like 4 dick moves a year is pretty reasonable, but that's just me.
Some of your zero tolerance needs to go to everyone that has a working brain... Just got hurt by a lot of people who support genocide because it's a form of "population control"...@BrianC503 decided to out himself as an idiot that thinks antifa is a bad thing in several posts in this thread:
Issued to: Fevs Issued by: Matt Derrick Ban date: Dec 12 2019 End date: Never Reason: hate speechsquattheplanet.com
so I just want to make this abundantly clear. if you think trump "isn't that bad" or that antifa is a bad thing, or that free speech is for everyone, even those that would use it to take away yours, then YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE.
delete your accounts, walk out into the street, and ask someone to curb stomp your ass.
im tired of facists/bigots using 'free speech' arguments against the staff here. the views these people promote all share the end goal of taking away other people's freedom, and that's not something we're going to tolerate here.
Showing no respect, and the lack of being humble, to me, is a tell tale sign of someone I would not want to travel with. Anyone who feels they are 'entitled' to ANYTHING while traveling, have something ass-backward in their perception of their situation.ok, I'll try to be brief since this is off-topic, but at the same time - might not be.
A while back, two years maybe ?? I still had my rusted up white jeep on the road, which by this point was considered a dangerous vehicle.
My replacement Jeep was in the shop with transmission problems, so i had the white one - anyway,
I just finish up shopping for groceries and I'm loading up my jeep, and a traveler appears, with a dog.
Both appeared in good shape, and he came up to me - nice enough - trying to get a lay of the land, figure out where's a good place to set up camp, etc....
[This is taking place later in the afternoon, like a little before the afternoon rush begins]
So, it's like real easy going so far, he's asking me questions about places to camp - because he see's WILDLIFE MONITORING lettered on the side of my jeep, and I tell him the truth which is Connecticut is a bad choice for travelers, because between the cops and the surburbanites... travelers are not tollerated.
I kind of point him in the right direction, but not really - because honestly, what could I do !!
I tell him how in CT wildlife preserves are places where people are allowed to hunt, which makes me think this could have been very early spring or even late winter, but it was mild out none the less.
We speak - actually he speaks about how fucked the straight people are - those with 9 - 5 jobs, and there miserable existence, and I sort of seen that too, it was pathetic watching what was going on in the parking lot, and he starts getting a little more wound up while, I'm trying to load up my jeep with groceries - as I seem to think the passenger side door by this point would not open, the latch broke, and since it was being junked........
So, I see where this is going - and housing him and his dog is not an option, not that it ever was, but now it's because while he's telling me how free he is and how fucked I am, I'm sensing that somehow all of this is my fault.
Now - it's bad enough when someone comes up to me and is slowing me down from what I need to be doing [*believe me, I was and am very sympathetic to what he was saying regarding being tied to the system, etc.... and how he has none of those worries or anything...] by talking to me, but now I am sensing that I am about to be obligated to help this person out, and the next thing I know is:
"Can you get me out of Connecticut ??"
He cursed me, said how fucked my way of living was and took off.
I sat in my jeep and felt genuine sorrow for him, because.... shit I know where I'm sleeping, but at the same time I saw his point about being free, literally living out of a backpack just him and his dog.
How much you want to bet he motherfucked me for a long time after that !!
You know, if someone is cool I'll help them out - but if someone's gonna tell me how fucked my way of being is, then they are on their own.
*Maybe this will serve some kind of purpose in this thread now....
Moral of the story: Never bite the hand that might feed ya, especially if hungry.
PS: I often wonder how he and his dog made out....................