Banned User Fevs banned for hate speech (1 Viewer)

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Well, two conflicting statements;

1. He doesn't vibe with the homos
2. He doesn't care about sexual preference

I think you and I are basically at an impasse with this tho. But I mean, the swastika and shit, we can't just condemn people for life because they were stupid teenagers, especially when they are trying to better themselves. If he stood by it and was still a nazi then that would be different.

That's why I think his ban for saying faggot should be timed and not permanent.
 
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I think you and I are basically at an impasse with this tho. But I mean, the swastika and shit, we can't just condemn people for life because they were stupid teenagers, especially when they are trying to better themselves. If he stood by it and was still a nazi then that would be different.
When you fuck up extra bad, you have to work extra hard to make up for it. He doesn't just get to say "hallelujah I've seen the light" and then we all pretend he was never a nazi. That's not how life works. And it's not like he didn't get his second chance, either, he was up front about his former views, and got a pass on them, and then some stuff he's said recently came to light and was incriminating enough that we can't just keep ignoring that dude used to be a nazi AND is currently spouting anti-LGBT trash. Yeah, maybe he's an innocent kid who just got around the wrong people and had some stuff taken out of context, but is it up to us to take the risk for his sake?

What happens if Fevs meets up with somebody gay off the site, it turns out these are his real views, and he hurts them? Matt and the mods would bear at least some of the responsibility, having known about his Nazi past and being told about his active homophobic views, if they just ignored it and let him have continued access. It's easy for you to advocate for him to get the benefit of the doubt when none of the risk or responsibility is yours.
 

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That's why I think his ban for saying faggot should be timed and not permanent.
But people with that kind of hateful mentality don't just change overnight or even in a month. Any adult this day and age talking about faggots or niggers or whatever has got some deep rooted issues man, not just "going thru a phase"
 

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But does the outcome change depending on who's around? Seems like this guy is very easily influenced. Let's draw out a scenario. Say he's hanging out with his nazi pals he used to live with, he runs into them in say some public park or whatever. Then here comes a very flamboyant and openly gay STP person. The nazis start some shit, maybe they jump said openly gay person.. what does he do? This guy gets swastika tattoos just to fit in. You know he's not stepping in to defend that person. He's wearing masks, heavily depending on who's around.
 

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I guess what this boils down to is you have made a friend in this person and you feel like there's a bigger underlying story and agenda that's taken place. That he's been scapegoated and made to look worse than you personally feel is fair. You like to spend time in the discord, perhaps you've made a few friends there and you'd ideally like to be able to have Fevs also take part in some of those fun conversations.

Your intent is not irrational, if that's a decent summary I've drawn up. But damn it's just a very complicated matter given all that's transpired and how this appears to everyone else. I mean you're literally the only person championing for Fevs. If we had a strong percentage of discord people all saying the same thing you are, then yeah maybe we'd have to at least reconsider the steps we've taken right.

I think there's a strong truth to what Coywolf and Dameon have said about actions and consequences. How do we just let that slide? How do we knowingly put other users at risk by more or less vetting Fevs when he's shown us this very ugly part of himself? I don't think (at least in my opinion) there's any way we can reduce the ban to a time out. One person going to bat for someone just doesn't feel like enough. I don't know what else to say.
 

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This has gotten kinda hypothetical, but other people actually did say something on Discord, they just don't post. One person even tried to bait him to get more evidence of these supposed views by sympathizing with him in private and inviting him to a far right or alt right or some shit right chat. But then he didn't agree with the dude or want to join. This whole thing is pretty weird.

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I wish stp was actually as queer as fevs seems to think... not strictly relevant to whether that dude's a nazi or not but uhhhhh

You know it's just like Ted Haggard or any other extremist like that. Preaching against homosexuality and drugs and then getting caught gacked out on meth sucking off pre-op trans women in a bathroom somewhere. I genuinely believe the most homophobic are the most closet homosexuals of them all. And that's not against anyone in the closet, but there's a huge difference between not being ready to come out and being an absolute hypocrite.
I don't mean this as an attack but thats a fucked up thing to type out. blaming homophobia on closeted LGBT people is not helpful. if you care about being an ally maybe don't invoke hypothetical trans women to call homophobes gay.

anyway the unicorn riot picture looked to be dated to 2018?? which means that he was an enthusiastic nazi as of a year or two ago. if he genuinely is working to change himself he should understand that itll take time to gain people's trust. this is kind of a ridiculous debate, I mean I'm all for nazis becoming ex-nazis but you don't bend over backwards trying to accommodate them. people are always gonna judge each other based on impressions and not words....

glad fevs got banned and I hope the mods don't lose any sleep worrying about users disagreeing.... trying to make everyone happy seems a bit silly
 
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So I totally understand not getting to choose who you grow up around, I had to deal with all types of fucked people as a kid. Even getting a tattoo a year ago doesn't mean you haven't seen the light. In my experience though most people ditching a culture they were getting tatted on their body just recently are doing it due to personal fallings out with people within that culture. Not because their ideology has really changed all that much. He plainly says he doesn't wanna be around queer people, so like what changed exactly? Just cause you don't identify with national socialism doesn't mean your still not a bigot.
 

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@blank he didn't get banned for using the word faggot. it's for using faggot in a message where he says he ~doesn't vibe w homos~ so that blatantly makes it homophobic intent. no gray area. and him traveling with a trans person of color doesn't make him not a bigot. i'm queer and trans and have had plenty of people who were bigoted toward my groups still hang around me. they didn't hate me personally, just how what i was made them feel on some level. or their idea of what a trans or gay person is based on media or fuckin fox news. it's like the white cops telling their fellow cops of color "oh but ur not like THEM".

@feralautistic lupo wasn't talkin any shit on trans women but pointing out that those men preaching homophobia are preaching it out of internalized homophobia. and we all know homophobes consider them fucking anyone with a dick "gay" even tho u and i and lupo know it's not.
 
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@blank ya know...it looks pretty bad how hard you are defending this dudes actions. Kinda makes you sound like a nazi sympathizer. Which imo is worthy of a big fuck you and a ban from this website.

There is no explanation i know of that would make me think otherwise. This dudes a bigot, and yer response is "oh come on it's not that bad give him another chance". Are you serious?
 

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@SlankyLanky as I see where you are coming from, there is nothing in this post I see as @blank being a Nazi sympathizer. I see a person trying to give a their view on how they see the ban as unfair. The very reason this sub forum was created. There is not a single comment they made that defends the 'previous' views of this person.

glad fevs got banned and I hope the mods don't lose any sleep worrying about users disagreeing.... trying to make everyone happy seems a bit silly
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@Coywolf as usual we dont agree. This isn't news to me, but just like you said about @blank I'm also expressing how I feel in this sub forum for the purpose you pointed out.
 

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Well, I'm glad that we can agree that we all have a place where we can discuss this, and y'all (staff) can come to a consensus regarding decisions on StP. I think its a healthy process.
 

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