Indigo/Crystal/Rainbow Children, The New Age Movement, Healing Crystals, etc.

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its not that it causes me distress, i dont care much either way what yer into. but it makes it hard to have personal respect for somebody when they say they believe in alot of this stuff to me. it just seems like a crutch, needing something to believe in thats pretty out there and lets be honest...this is a big stretch. sure it might be interesting to read about, but to me it would be like picking up a bible because i think its interesting. its just not to me.
 
^ For me and I can only speak for myself, it comes down to this continuum: Shamanism was the Paleolithic expression, Paganism (Wiccan, Nature and Earth Magicks, et al) is the Neolithic expression of the same thing. A reverence for nature. This reverence can take many forms, but at the end of the day they function as reminders that we are OF nature, not IN it, because "in it" implies separation, like I am IN a pool of water, versus I am OF this pool of water. As we move into a matrix of more and more separation from nature, we need those reminders more and more.

Now, is it "real" or illusion? I feel that is a distinction that does not need to be made. From a scientific point of view, the shamanistic/magickal experience can be equated to any number of scientific theorems. Congress with the spirits can also be expressed as communion with the Jungian Archetypes, prescience as access to the Sheldrakian morphic resonance field, Quantum Entanglement, the list goes on and on. Two languages describing the same causal and acasual effects.

One of the many things this civilization seems to be suffering from is a denial and/or a dismissal of the liminal in our lives. Again, if the magickal approach isn't your particular language, try some academia in the form of Joseph Campbell or any one of the schools I mentioned above.

Travellers blessing to ye all.
 
not so much that I dismiss the liminal in my life, but that I'm tired of information about it. and tired of information period. there is too much information, and I my ears have closed themselves my eyes shut my mouth clenched of it's own will.

"This face is an epilepsy, its wordless tongue gives
out the unearthly cry,
Its veins down the neck distend, its eyes roll till
they show nothing but their whites,
Its teeth grit, the palms of the hands are cut by
the turned-in nails,
The man falls struggling and foaming to the ground
while he speculates well."

I opened this thread because I remember hearing vague things about 'crystal children', reading up on it, and discovering that it wasn't for me.

Do your thing milktoast. You might look up Alex Collier, as I remember him talking a lot about the same stuff.. and other addicionales also. That was all a very long time ago, but you may still find it interesting.
 
Andrea Van Scoyoc said:
Awesome post!

Just one clarification, though...Satanism (LaVey Satanism which is the only real Satanism...other branches/sects, etc having been started by disgruntled former members of the CoS) is in NO WAY, Pagan and to classify it as any form of Paganism, is a serious disservice.
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HMMMM... haha. I love discussing satanism. It's intriguing.

The point that other tracts of Satanism that deviate from the Church are somehow "invalid" for their heresy is an interesting idea. Especially since LaVey's own daughter is counted among the number who have branched out. We saw this with the Christian Reformation, those who left were labeled 'false', but held on, and through sheer perseverance managed to form a distinct movement with longevity.

Another reason not to entirely discount splinter groups is that many of them (Think Temple of Set) are most certainly NOT athiest. They are what I would call, 'Luciferian' satansists, who seem to need and want a deity of some kind. Within that community, this is a really critical split! It would be different if they had just formed a C.os look-a-like organization, but they instead redefined the concepts of deity at the core of the belief system!

I love it.

And yes, the larger pagan community (in an attempt to be more socially acceptable and tolerated) had vociferously distanced themselves from the satanist community. But I'm not really an adequate representative of the 'community at large' , I compare the various groups and find that there is much in common. Rituals taking place in a circle, the calling of a deity (or the psychosemantics that emulate such an act), some of the lodge cermonial stuff, the casting of spells, the requirement to self improvement, (rather than simply "converting" through faith.), for me they are very, very similar animals.

And fascinating conversation topics! :)
 
shabti said:
HMMMM... haha. I love discussing satanism. It's intriguing.

The point that other tracts of Satanism that deviate from the Church are somehow "invalid" for their heresy is an interesting idea. Especially since LaVey's own daughter is counted among the number who have branched out. We saw this with the Christian Reformation, those who left were labeled 'false', but held on, and through sheer perseverance managed to form a distinct movement with longevity.

Another reason not to entirely discount splinter groups is that many of them (Think Temple of Set) are most certainly NOT athiest. They are what I would call, 'Luciferian' satansists, who seem to need and want a deity of some kind. Within that community, this is a really critical split! It would be different if they had just formed a C.os look-a-like organization, but they instead redefined the concepts of deity at the core of the belief system!

I love it.

And yes, the larger pagan community (in an attempt to be more socially acceptable and tolerated) had vociferously distanced themselves from the satanist community. But I'm not really an adequate representative of the 'community at large' , I compare the various groups and find that there is much in common. Rituals taking place in a circle, the calling of a deity (or the psychosemantics that emulate such an act), some of the lodge cermonial stuff, the casting of spells, the requirement to self improvement, (rather than simply "converting" through faith.), for me they are very, very similar animals.

And fascinating conversation topics! :)
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There's no such thing as Luciferian Satanism.

In fact, Luciferians are considered nothing more than the butt of rude jokes, among Satanists...and that's only by the ones who even bother to make note of them.

You can't believe in ANY form of entity (no matter what you call it/them) and call yourself any form of Satanist.

It's simply not possible.

Being as I'm not authorized to speak on behalf of the Church (because I'm not a member, nor their media representative and because honestly, they don't feel the need to defend their beliefs or educate others) I'll do what any member of the Church would do...

Point you to the Church of Satan official website.

I'd suggest spending a good deal of time reading and educating yourself.

I'd also purchase a copy of The Satanic Bible.

Then, if you still have questions, there's a great unofficial Church group on Facebook you can join, okayed by and run by titled CoS members.

Just do your homework before you join.

No tolerance for stupidity is one of the Satanic Laws of Nine and members can be brutal to those they feel haven't done proper homework before coming to them.

I'm a member of the group (you don't have to be an official, card carrying CoS member to join the unofficial group) and have seen new members who think it's funny to say stupid things like, "I'm here to learn because I love Satan," flayed like salmon patties, by members.

Satanism is definitely not for everyone, but it is absolutely fascinating.

As for Zena LaVey...she's some sort of Buddhist now, so you can't use her as a real example.

Ha ha!

Peace!
 
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Andrea Van Scoyoc said:
There's no such thing as Luciferian Satanism.

In fact, Luciferians are considered nothing more than the butt of rude jokes, among Satanists...and that's only by the ones who even bother to make note of them.

You can't believe in ANY form of entity (no matter what you call it/them) and call yourself any form of Satanist.
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Why? Because The Church gets to determine what's legit? Because some old dead dude said so? That sounds dangerously close to the thinking Anton built his life rejecting. I've read the Satanic Bible....and the Sabbats for Witches, and even a lot of the Cloven Hoof articles. But the idea that only those satanists who adhere to those ideas are valid is contradictory. If you feel more gratified by having a theistic vision of Satan, (or whatever) then the selfish thing to do is hold your rituals any damn way you please...right?

I reject the idea that the church of satan holds a monopoloy on 'valid' Satanic thought, the same way I reject the idea that the Catholic church holds a monopoly on 'valid' christian thought.

I don't know though. I'm a member of a religion that can't, by definition tell me that I'm not something. As a pagan, there is no central body, no church to tell me that I don't meet the basic requirements for being a pagan. Instead, diversity is celebrated (for the most part).

As an anthropologist (in training, but still) I could never discount a cultural thing. Professionally, I could never say "I understand these people hold deeply to their beliefs, and use them to guide their lives, but those beliefs are stupid because these people over here said so." I could take note of both phenomena, and use them to deepen my understanding of the situation, but not to refute that one observable phenomena is occuring.

In other words, if someone tells me they are a satanist, and that they worship...I dunno, the flying tree frog demon of bal-zak, then it's not my place to correct them. I'll just think to myself

"huh. How about that. there's a bit of satanic thought I haven't heard of before. interesting."
with the assumption that the person holding the beliefs is more of an expert on what is valid about their own religion than I am.
 
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shabti said:
Why? Because The Church gets to determine what's legit? Because some old dead dude said so? That sounds dangerously close to the thinking Anton built his life rejecting. I've read the Satanic Bible....and the Sabbats for Witches, and even a lot of the Cloven Hoof articles. But the idea that only those satanists who adhere to those ideas are valid is contradictory. If you feel more gratified by having a theistic vision of Satan, (or whatever) then the selfish thing to do is hold your rituals any damn way you please...right?

I reject the idea that the church of satan holds a monopoloy on 'valid' Satanic thought, the same way I reject the idea that the Catholic church holds a monopoly on 'valid' christian thought.
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To each their own.

I'm just going by what my best friend (she's more like family and I call her my, 'sister') who is a two decade, titled member has told me.

Being simply a religious scholar (with a Master's in religious studies) I have no dog in any "religious hunt" as it were, as I personally have no use for religion.

I just find it absolutely fascinating.

Anyway... being a part of the unofficial CoS group the way I am (my sister "joined me" to further educate myself, because she knows I'm interested) and having spent hours (literally) bugging her for information, I'm simply relaying what I know to be fact, by those that are actually part of and active in the Church.

I'm done now...

Peace!
 
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Milktoast said:
I need some assistance.
I know OF these topics, but don't KNOW...well, anything else, really.

I'm desperately trying to track down credible information and figure this shit out. I'd be more than happy to read a book or 10, if I knew which ones to dive into. I DO know that these Children are human bodies with extraterrestrial spirits that were sent to unfuck Mankind. I know Indigo Children were supposed to be the first, beginning to appear somewhere in like the 60's through the 80's. Rainbow Children throughout the 90's, and Rainbow Children ever since. I know the groups have their own distinct purpose.

I know a lot of people have turned their trust into the healing power of various crystals, but I couldn't tell ya why or if it works. I'd love to report from first hand experience, but I have none.

I know a lot of people believe in the idea that we're all intrinsically connected on the spiritual level...But I couldn't tell ya where the idea originates, and what the rest of the idea says (I'm sure there's more to it.)

I dunno where the hell to begin :(
HELP.
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My parents were (are?) hippies, and my mother and many of her friends are tapped into these ideas.

First, I would recommend getting a copy of the Celestine Prophecy. I read it when I was fourteen, and I think it's a good introduction to new age spirituality (if I'm gathering your meaning well).

Lately my mom has been talking about the power of pyramids. An interesting book I came across on this subject is Mind Machines You Can Build. My mom has also been trying to get me to watch a short TV series called The Pyramid Code. It apparently offers an alternate and compelling explanation of what the pyramids are, who built them, and what their purpose is.

I've got loads of other stuff to recommend (Ceremony by Leslie Marmon Silko), but let me know if any of this is up your alley, or if you had something else in mind.
 
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i cant quote message enough to reply so if anyone is still interested in the thread regarding my thinking you are all full of shit this applies to all, seriously? what happend to no gods no masters? maybe thinking for yerself instead of having to crutch a belief system based on complete bullshit? taking personal responsibility for yer own life and making it yer own? not having to search for a higher purpose because you yerself is good enough and knowing that you are who you are and not BELIEVING that you are some cosmic god damn being. yer a human just like the rest of us. you shit, you eat, you sleep, you die. what you do on yer downtime is yer own choice, its embaressing for me to type this out to grown adults. if you want answers open up a science book. not a science fiction novel, thats entertainment. actually believing is just ridiculous and like i said before...i just cant take anybody seriously who thinks that way. it makes me think serious chemical brain issues.
 
Ok this is quite a wonky thread :) first off I will say I am spiritual in my own ways and feel a very real energy exchange which can not be described in words while solitary in nature. And I'm sure that @cantcureherpes will agree modern science is almost its own religion and we know for a fact there are many different spectrums that humans just can not interpret. Think about it like a dog whistle, we can't hear it but dogs freak. I think humans have a very shallow perception of our surrondings and are quite 'blind' in comparison to other sentient beings who do not completely destroy their enviroments (whales for instance). I spent some time with a pagan farm, cool folks but dancing around naked drunk is all cool and all, but does nothing for me spirtually. Honestly it seems sort of like a bunch of older pervy folks trying to get with some fresh young meat from what I saw. Also, most new age stuff is a crock of steaming horse shit. Are you a scientologist next week bro? Haha jk but look into Confucius and different forms of meditation, very healing and powerful stuff. Read a book called Ishmael. My favorite book thus far in life, it will change your thinking.
 
My aunt is wiccan and uses crystals alot, they can't heal physical ailments but she does use them to remove negative energy from rooms or people that have been afflicted by It. I've started using them cause, like my mom was, I end up having spirits or what have you follow me time to time and i'm really sensitive to energy. uhm, I know a good deal about wiccan shit and i can ask my aunt what i don't know. PM me if you want
 
Actually pretty surprised and happy nobody tore this kid apart and their are so many pangan/wiccan/earthly spiritual people out there

Anyway I find anthropology on traditional communities to be great sourcs for how spirituality plays into life. Mind you, be weary of anything that romanticizes these cultures, usually tends to be new age bullshit. JimH1991 said pretty much all that needed to be said there and Ishmael is an excellent fucking book. The new age bases alot of its shit on flash cultural opinions, achievements, and pretence while entertaining preset topics to no end in cylindrical logic, probobly because its safe and wont challenge their core belifes. (Also paganism does not equate to new age) Not to say I have not found good info from new agey stuff, because i have, but you probably should avoid garbage like spirit science and the mind unleash; too much unchecked western superiority and its all overlly enticing with all too convenience to their boohicky. That said, be weary of the "new and special" indigo children thing, they run on the same software of any other human being. But most importantly make your own opinions and build your own personal faith, go by your experience.
 
@Andrea; Please allow me to disagree....I have seen and experienced pure evil out there....Spent alot of time with Navajos and Utes...Please, please read "The Broken Circle"....In 1974, some redneck teens murdered a few Navajo homeless guyz....The court system acquitted the teens, so the Navajos contacted their evil witches. (They have good guyz, who are healers, and bad guys, who are for vengeance and war).....anyways, the evil dudes did evil ceremonies and the Skinwalkers punished the teens horrifically. I do not understand the Dark Side, and I have absolutely NO interest in it: it's real; the Indians know of it; I would prefer to just live in my happy little generic material world. Evil spirits are real; but good ones are equally real. :)

As far as religion goes, the Mystics are my great love and passion: The Sufis, Kabbalists; Rosicrucians; all of em. Also Hindu and Christian mystics like Thomas Merton.View attachment 24700
 

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@Andrea; Please allow me to disagree....I have seen and experienced pure evil out there....Spent alot of time with Navajos and Utes...Please, please read "The Broken Circle"....In 1974, some redneck teens murdered a few Navajo homeless guyz....The court system acquitted the teens, so the Navajos contacted their evil witches. (They have good guyz, who are healers, and bad guys, who are for vengeance and war).....anyways, the evil dudes did evil ceremonies and the Skinwalkers punished the teens horrifically. I do not understand the Dark Side, and I have absolutely NO interest in it: it's real; the Indians know of it; I would prefer to just live in my happy little generic material world. Evil spirits are real; but good ones are equally real. :)[/QU
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You would probably really like almanac of the dead, check that book out!
 
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