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katbastard
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this IS a political website, where the fuck have you been? and it happens to be based on anarchism, at that.
WTF is up with" Occupy" Wall Street?
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dolittle
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I had a mix portfolio. From *all most* no risk to hi risk. I'm the only one stupid enough to buy stock. Nither my Mom nor brother has Ever set foot in a casino. Where did we get that $100,000 u mentioned & what house did we sell?? Simple fact, dude. When they were no longer able to work, their income drop below their out going. (house, car payments, food, med's, ect ect...) Along comes the bank to take every thing they had & kick them to the curb. Again, where was their gov bail out? Oh, & did I mention... HANG the sonabitches!!!!!!!
Land is a intresting investment. There are 1 acyer survival farms where you could have goats(far more efficicant then cows for milk and cheese) chickens and a vegi plot. I would not do it in the US though....Canada in BC or Qubec....US gov wants to take your guns away or suspect that you are plotting the next Unabomber plot....Canadians are cool peopl anyway....
TheUndeadPhoenix
The Necromancer King
^^^^^^ THIS
Back on track here, I am trying to play the devils advocate here and say that despite what some would assume here the founding fathers were anything but anarcists. They had a investment in this country in land and slaves-(A good healthy slave would be worth a Lexus in todays dollars.)
Being a farmer or plantation owner was a risky buisness(Thom. Jefferson) or a Industrialist (Sam Adams- Brewer) or a Entrapranuier (Benjiman Frankilin-Not just a printer but invented a a way to start the first printing franchise aka the first Kinkos of his day..Or a Banker (John Handcock).
What they wanted is to be able to run there own show and set the profits without the king limiting what they could charge or sell too.
Now on the other hand there were Religuise Communes like the Shakers and the Amish where things were shared in common. But they had strict rules on personal behavoir in there commnitys and how they could relate with the outside or the english. Those of you (including myself) who have spent time working in 12 Tribes houses know or should know what I am talking about here.
What happens either invidualy or collectivly is that when someone takes a risk (like our founding fathers did or when someone buys a share of stock in a new company) they expect to collect the rewards of that risk in the form of a sort of rental payment for lending out there money and time.
Up unitill the time of Karl Marx the workers were just putting there time in and collecting there weekly paycheck and they had not invested there gold in to the operation or the start of the buisness. If there mill went under they just went across the street to the next mill and worked there . They did not lose there house and there shirt........Where we fucked up in 2008 is that employees 401 k were invested in there own companys stock (like enron was)
and that was a conflict of intrest.....On the other hand those with 401ks were ignorant of the fact that they could ask questions and have some say in how there companys were run. (Just as Karl Marx intended) because they were part owners. It is a ethical issue as to if the management took avantage of that ignorance. The 1% looks at themselves as the enlighted ones whoes job is to invest and shepard the capital by giving to Philatraopy and investing the public money in the right companys. They beileve if they wernt around the working class would spend all there money on beer potato chips and porn!!
........We need to bring back the Carnegies and the Rockfellers and Pew Foundation and send the yuppies to the doghouse. We need capailists who build hospitals railroads and Colleges.
Being a farmer or plantation owner was a risky buisness(Thom. Jefferson) or a Industrialist (Sam Adams- Brewer) or a Entrapranuier (Benjiman Frankilin-Not just a printer but invented a a way to start the first printing franchise aka the first Kinkos of his day..Or a Banker (John Handcock).
What they wanted is to be able to run there own show and set the profits without the king limiting what they could charge or sell too.
Now on the other hand there were Religuise Communes like the Shakers and the Amish where things were shared in common. But they had strict rules on personal behavoir in there commnitys and how they could relate with the outside or the english. Those of you (including myself) who have spent time working in 12 Tribes houses know or should know what I am talking about here.
What happens either invidualy or collectivly is that when someone takes a risk (like our founding fathers did or when someone buys a share of stock in a new company) they expect to collect the rewards of that risk in the form of a sort of rental payment for lending out there money and time.
Up unitill the time of Karl Marx the workers were just putting there time in and collecting there weekly paycheck and they had not invested there gold in to the operation or the start of the buisness. If there mill went under they just went across the street to the next mill and worked there . They did not lose there house and there shirt........Where we fucked up in 2008 is that employees 401 k were invested in there own companys stock (like enron was)
and that was a conflict of intrest.....On the other hand those with 401ks were ignorant of the fact that they could ask questions and have some say in how there companys were run. (Just as Karl Marx intended) because they were part owners. It is a ethical issue as to if the management took avantage of that ignorance. The 1% looks at themselves as the enlighted ones whoes job is to invest and shepard the capital by giving to Philatraopy and investing the public money in the right companys. They beileve if they wernt around the working class would spend all there money on beer potato chips and porn!!
........We need to bring back the Carnegies and the Rockfellers and Pew Foundation and send the yuppies to the doghouse. We need capailists who build hospitals railroads and Colleges.
Strang3RXRMous3
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you know we r getting there as well its just a matter of time before that can happen... right now we r dealing with foreclosed homes... i do agree with you definitly but as one person without other consensus there is nothing i can do as one person... i would love to have people volunteer to help out with that because the prison conditions are terrible and even juvenile prisons, jail, etc. are awful and something needs to be done about it... as direct action being taken about it there would need to be consensus about such along with volunteers to protest along with others... right now we r dealing with many other issues along with foreclosures...
http://www.rootsontherails.com/roots-on-the-rails-trips-2012-portland-rose-with-tom-russell
Gee 4,000.00 ---- thats worth at least 4 ocean cruises and a whole year riding the cushions on Amtrak and Via Rail
Gee 4,000.00 ---- thats worth at least 4 ocean cruises and a whole year riding the cushions on Amtrak and Via Rail
nuckfumbertheory
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invest in a garden, invest in your family, invest in some good tools, invest in learning new skills. thr money bullshit skeems will come to an end some day, be ready.
nuckfumbertheory
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OWS is the most important thing going on. (all the small town versions included) Everybody get out in the streets.
shiftingGEARS
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abolish the whole fucking system, be self reliant and stop sucking the governments dick !
katiehabits
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the occupy in Montreal is being run by the "People's militia of Quebec" a right wing neo-fascist separatist group who is trying to push out the anarchists and the sharp skins. the GA's are NOT being run by consensus big decisions can be made by a group of 75 but the camp has at least 250 or more currently. the militia is threatening the sharp skins with violence; they know their full names and where they live. it's fucked!
AND occupy toronto is full of bat-shit CRAZIES! the camp is grouped up by the drugs folks are useing and the level of neo-liberalism they live by. the organization of the camp it's self is well put together but the level of control that folks within the camp try to exersie on others is fucked. my friends and me where allmost beat up for leting people express themselves around us while we stated that the rest of camp was not a free speech zone, cuz well it just isn't. the bat-shit crazies allso wake you up at all times in the night and morning playing fucking hippy drums screaming it's an emeremce. the mayor of toronto Rob Ford who is a fat selfish pig elected by the suburbs and not the people who live in toronto proper gave out an eviction notice on the 17th. the actual eviction is going to take place tonight.
AND occupy toronto is full of bat-shit CRAZIES! the camp is grouped up by the drugs folks are useing and the level of neo-liberalism they live by. the organization of the camp it's self is well put together but the level of control that folks within the camp try to exersie on others is fucked. my friends and me where allmost beat up for leting people express themselves around us while we stated that the rest of camp was not a free speech zone, cuz well it just isn't. the bat-shit crazies allso wake you up at all times in the night and morning playing fucking hippy drums screaming it's an emeremce. the mayor of toronto Rob Ford who is a fat selfish pig elected by the suburbs and not the people who live in toronto proper gave out an eviction notice on the 17th. the actual eviction is going to take place tonight.
Ash Ketchum
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I've been to NY,DC, Orlando, and now I am in San Antonio. What seems to be the story from my perception is that we're basically protesting everything in our current system. It varies from person to person, but most people at the occupations that I've spoken to would agree that nearly every aspect of our system is corrupt and that it needs to be changed or just abolished. Also MOST people at the occupations that I have met are intelligent and know how to share ideas and listen to others.
There are of course people at occupations who are just ignorant. People who get into petty shit with other people that has nothing to do with our occupation....these are usually the people who have no idea why they are at the occupation and if you ask them why they are there they'll say something like "I agree with the cause... its a good cause." If you attempt to inquire more you'll get nothing. They are there for the party. Then there are the people who think that just because they are the most comfortable facilitating General Assemblies they have the right to act like they have superiority in every other aspect of the occupy.
This movement is VERY important, but there is not enough balance in the movement. I've noticed a lot of people are either apathetic or egotistical. Part of the idea behind the movement is that we are working as one. We are the 99%. The movement will get stronger once people become more educated and people get past the silly shit.
I'm very optimistic, but I do realize that this could all just go the opposite way and then I'll just be fucking sad.
There are of course people at occupations who are just ignorant. People who get into petty shit with other people that has nothing to do with our occupation....these are usually the people who have no idea why they are at the occupation and if you ask them why they are there they'll say something like "I agree with the cause... its a good cause." If you attempt to inquire more you'll get nothing. They are there for the party. Then there are the people who think that just because they are the most comfortable facilitating General Assemblies they have the right to act like they have superiority in every other aspect of the occupy.
This movement is VERY important, but there is not enough balance in the movement. I've noticed a lot of people are either apathetic or egotistical. Part of the idea behind the movement is that we are working as one. We are the 99%. The movement will get stronger once people become more educated and people get past the silly shit.
I'm very optimistic, but I do realize that this could all just go the opposite way and then I'll just be fucking sad.
Strang3RXRMous3
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yes i definitely agree with you on that one... Joseph Arpaio is a sick demented bastard that i have been following up on. I mean his background history which would be military, childhood, etc. backgrounds. It looks pristine but looks can be deceiving as well. My personal interest is to take him out from any possible governmental job which is to find a weak link in the chains of his past history. If I can find that and put it in front of the public eye, maybe that would be a start in demolishing this government. I have a strong belief that he is one of the main links to an intricately woven deception that looks to be impossible to break through.
http://freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com/2008/11/barack-obama-prince-hall-freemasonry.html
BTW Skull and Bones is a branch of freemasons and Prince Hall is the black section of freemasons
BTW Skull and Bones is a branch of freemasons and Prince Hall is the black section of freemasons
He was acosted in DC by the white house by a protester see-
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-ore...ed-himself-i-mightve-invited-him-on-the-show/
Bill refered to the protester as an anarchist and the Occupy movement as an anarchist movement.
Well....If the right wing Republicans truly believe in less Gov. then you would think that they would embrace such a movement,
from Wikipedia-
Anarchism is generally defined as the political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful,[1][2] or alternatively as opposing authority in the conduct of human relations.[3][4][5][6][7][8] Proponents of anarchism (known as "anarchists") advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical[3][9][10] voluntary associations.[11][12]
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-ore...ed-himself-i-mightve-invited-him-on-the-show/
Bill refered to the protester as an anarchist and the Occupy movement as an anarchist movement.
Well....If the right wing Republicans truly believe in less Gov. then you would think that they would embrace such a movement,
from Wikipedia-
Anarchism is generally defined as the political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful,[1][2] or alternatively as opposing authority in the conduct of human relations.[3][4][5][6][7][8] Proponents of anarchism (known as "anarchists") advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical[3][9][10] voluntary associations.[11][12]